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— OOC PLOTTING POST —
hullo fam! kazie here. i'm going to... try to organize things somewhat, at least in how i present the information. (the operative word is try, lmao!)
BATFAM CANON SO FAR
➝ this really started from BatDad Batfleck Adopting Everyone™️
➝ the overarching plot is based on DCEU. specifically Snydercut DCEU now that we know we're getting it!
➝ BatDad and WonderMom ♥♥♥♥
➝ the BatKids in order of adoption are Dick, Wanda, Jon and Kara.
➝ there are two timelines, the present and the future, because there's some time travel involved to save the world from the Darkseid bad end.
➝ Dick likes redheads!
NOTES FROM LAST YEAR
➝ the very rough, definitely not complete and will still totally change timeline is here, mostly put together for Kazie's sanity lmao
➝ as originally the only Game of Thrones person Kazie just went ahead and made up a GoT backstory while AU'ing Jon in (hush let me refer to myself in third person)
➝ Rie later brought in K and the Blade Runner canon, but BR was basically fasttracked since we're not getting all the way to 2049 lmaoooo
➝ BR and GoT got linked because BR has a Tyrell Corporation and GoT has a House Tyrell
➝ given that DCEU has Darkseid and BR is ripe with apocalyptic feels and GoT has so many dead people... somewhere along the way it was decided that Darkseid will be the Big Bad.
➝ future timeline rundown: Lois dies, Supes blames Batman and turns on humanity and joins Darkseid. Supes later kills Dick, and Bruce, and... everyone else. Barry, Wanda and Jon (who's taken over the Titans after Dick) band together with others and form the Resistance. (THIS MIGHT BE INACCURATE but both my notes say all this so, oops.)
➝ we talked about Barry and his time traveling, but it ended up being Wanda. part of it came with losing everyone since Jon also dies during an attack on the Resistance base. (i forgot the rest, help Ash?)
➝ there are no other MCUs other than Wanda and her backstory is AU'd but still along the similar veins. (but no ties to Stark Industries. we decided to forego pursuing that possible connection to GoT lmao)
➝ K came in the future timeline because it's the natural fit for BR. we also said that his being a replicant would allow him to travel back in time with the least repercussions, especially in terms of altering anything since he's not related to anyone. but a timeline reset mission is too risky for just one person, so the Resistance decided to steal a replicant unit from the Wallace labs and program it into their own (Jane) to accompany K to the past.
➝ in the future timeline Bruce dies in 2020 simply because we said fuck 2020, whoops.
➝ time traveling is not an exact science so instead of arriving in 2019 to stop Supes from going evil, the future people arrived in 2017 instead. JANE FALLS OUT OF THE SKY on Robb's Porsche on the way to crash the Wayne family dinner.
➝ the replicant thing, aside from the Tyrell connection between BR/GoT, was because Kazie wrote in Jon's backstory that supersoldier tech was being developed and the US government wanted some after the Man of Steel fiasco. but you know human rights etc etc so it was all done in secret. Ned Stark, Jon's dad and Bruce's pal, found that out and tried to pass legislation to stop it and shut down the company the government was supposedly in contract with... only for him and his family to get hounded and killed, etc.
➝ because the GoTs don't have a throne to fight over in this AU, they're fighting over the replicant tech basically. lmao
➝ Jason gets Joker'd (my DC knowledge is the bare minimum but i remember this one's important hahaha)
➝ Astrea brought in Laurel and i remember reading a thread about Bruce talking her into helping the Starks with their lawsuit war stuff... i just can't find it anymore eep :/
➝ Liz started to help Kazie plot out more of the GoT stuff especially on the whole prior gen squabbles, starting with Ned's sister Lyanna. (that may have sparked the double Jons because we both play Jons lol)
➝ we were also trying to put Jesse and the FBC in! Jesse sensed the anomalous blip from the time travelers' arrival and went to investigate. Dick asked Jon to investigate JF, Jon said she has no Facebook. Dick/Jesse/Nightwing stuff. something about K and Jane finding Jesse because Jesse's also in the future Resistance, something about electronics not working inside the FBC when they get there... i need to search for this part as i don't have this in my notes, waaaah. but Jesse is in Jon's CR chart! HAHA
( THEN WINTER ARRIVED AND WE COLLECTIVELY HIBERNATED )
WHAT CAME UP IN THE 2021 REVIVAL
➝ Cookie brought Margaery! so we now have an actual Tyrell and we can do more GoT/BR-related things in the sidelines. bottomline for Marg: she loves replicants and ends up siding with evil Supes and Darkseid. because her main goal is an Eden for her "children", and if the only way to make that happen is to destroy mankind + align with Superman regime, then so be it. (sorry Cookie i just copy/pasted that from your write up HAHAHA)
➝ LET'S TALK REPLICANTS IN THE COMMENTS
➝ ALSO ALL THE METAPLOT THINGS
➝ AND EVERYTHING ELSE
BATFAM CANON SO FAR
➝ this really started from BatDad Batfleck Adopting Everyone™️
➝ the overarching plot is based on DCEU. specifically Snydercut DCEU now that we know we're getting it!
➝ BatDad and WonderMom ♥♥♥♥
➝ the BatKids in order of adoption are Dick, Wanda, Jon and Kara.
➝ there are two timelines, the present and the future, because there's some time travel involved to save the world from the Darkseid bad end.
➝ Dick likes redheads!
NOTES FROM LAST YEAR
➝ the very rough, definitely not complete and will still totally change timeline is here, mostly put together for Kazie's sanity lmao
➝ as originally the only Game of Thrones person Kazie just went ahead and made up a GoT backstory while AU'ing Jon in (hush let me refer to myself in third person)
➝ Rie later brought in K and the Blade Runner canon, but BR was basically fasttracked since we're not getting all the way to 2049 lmaoooo
➝ BR and GoT got linked because BR has a Tyrell Corporation and GoT has a House Tyrell
➝ given that DCEU has Darkseid and BR is ripe with apocalyptic feels and GoT has so many dead people... somewhere along the way it was decided that Darkseid will be the Big Bad.
➝ future timeline rundown: Lois dies, Supes blames Batman and turns on humanity and joins Darkseid. Supes later kills Dick, and Bruce, and... everyone else. Barry, Wanda and Jon (who's taken over the Titans after Dick) band together with others and form the Resistance. (THIS MIGHT BE INACCURATE but both my notes say all this so, oops.)
➝ we talked about Barry and his time traveling, but it ended up being Wanda. part of it came with losing everyone since Jon also dies during an attack on the Resistance base. (i forgot the rest, help Ash?)
➝ there are no other MCUs other than Wanda and her backstory is AU'd but still along the similar veins. (but no ties to Stark Industries. we decided to forego pursuing that possible connection to GoT lmao)
➝ K came in the future timeline because it's the natural fit for BR. we also said that his being a replicant would allow him to travel back in time with the least repercussions, especially in terms of altering anything since he's not related to anyone. but a timeline reset mission is too risky for just one person, so the Resistance decided to steal a replicant unit from the Wallace labs and program it into their own (Jane) to accompany K to the past.
➝ in the future timeline Bruce dies in 2020 simply because we said fuck 2020, whoops.
➝ time traveling is not an exact science so instead of arriving in 2019 to stop Supes from going evil, the future people arrived in 2017 instead. JANE FALLS OUT OF THE SKY on Robb's Porsche on the way to crash the Wayne family dinner.
➝ the replicant thing, aside from the Tyrell connection between BR/GoT, was because Kazie wrote in Jon's backstory that supersoldier tech was being developed and the US government wanted some after the Man of Steel fiasco. but you know human rights etc etc so it was all done in secret. Ned Stark, Jon's dad and Bruce's pal, found that out and tried to pass legislation to stop it and shut down the company the government was supposedly in contract with... only for him and his family to get hounded and killed, etc.
➝ because the GoTs don't have a throne to fight over in this AU, they're fighting over the replicant tech basically. lmao
➝ Jason gets Joker'd (my DC knowledge is the bare minimum but i remember this one's important hahaha)
➝ Astrea brought in Laurel and i remember reading a thread about Bruce talking her into helping the Starks with their lawsuit war stuff... i just can't find it anymore eep :/
➝ Liz started to help Kazie plot out more of the GoT stuff especially on the whole prior gen squabbles, starting with Ned's sister Lyanna. (that may have sparked the double Jons because we both play Jons lol)
➝ we were also trying to put Jesse and the FBC in! Jesse sensed the anomalous blip from the time travelers' arrival and went to investigate. Dick asked Jon to investigate JF, Jon said she has no Facebook. Dick/Jesse/Nightwing stuff. something about K and Jane finding Jesse because Jesse's also in the future Resistance, something about electronics not working inside the FBC when they get there... i need to search for this part as i don't have this in my notes, waaaah. but Jesse is in Jon's CR chart! HAHA
( THEN WINTER ARRIVED AND WE COLLECTIVELY HIBERNATED )
WHAT CAME UP IN THE 2021 REVIVAL
➝ Cookie brought Margaery! so we now have an actual Tyrell and we can do more GoT/BR-related things in the sidelines. bottomline for Marg: she loves replicants and ends up siding with evil Supes and Darkseid. because her main goal is an Eden for her "children", and if the only way to make that happen is to destroy mankind + align with Superman regime, then so be it. (sorry Cookie i just copy/pasted that from your write up HAHAHA)
➝ LET'S TALK REPLICANTS IN THE COMMENTS
➝ ALSO ALL THE METAPLOT THINGS
➝ AND EVERYTHING ELSE
MOSTLY ABOUT REPLICANTS — a very wip write up on the BR/GoT side of things
➝ we've been using this list for the US counterparts of the GoT territories
➝ just a WIP timeline focusing on this side
➝ since there is no Iron Throne for the GoTs to fight over, this has become some sort of political/corporate/tech feud, lmao. the Iron Throne is instead the Westeros Group of Companies, brought into prominence by CEO Aerys Targaryen II and CFO Tywin Lannister.
➝ the eventual connection of this side to the metaplot is really Margaery becoming the Mother of Replicants and siding with Darkseid. not that Darkseid really needs an army given he has his Parademons, but the more the merrier??
➝ also imagine if Margaery pulls an Order 66 with the government-commissioned replicant supersoldiers...
➝ with replicants already existing in the background, there are likely underground factions already running about, both anti-replicant and anti-humanity. Rie's idea that K accidentally winds up institutionalizing the blade runners in the present timeline, when he himself is a replicant and a former blade runner... mmmm.
REPLICANTS (FROM BLADE RUNNER CANON)
➝ replicants are genetically engineered, bio-enhanced person with para-physical capabilities, "composed entirely of organic substance." they are virtually identical to standard adult humans, but had superior strength, speed, agility, resilience and intelligence to varying degrees depending on the model.
➝ a key aspect of replicant psychology was that they are lacking in empathy, in effect making them textbook sociopaths. due to their short lifespans, replicants had no framework within which to deal with their emotions, which led to them being emotionally inexperienced.
➝ Tyrell Corporation later introduced the Nexus-6, the supreme replicant — much stronger and faster than, and virtually indistinguishable from, humans. But Nexus-6 replicants had a built-in four-year lifespan, created as a safety mechanism to prevent them from developing empathic abilities.
➝ a group of replicants revolted and and traveled to Tyrell Corp to negotiate the terms of their designated life span
➝ Eldon Tyrell sought to gift replicants with a past through implanted memories, therefore creating an emotional cushion that would make them far more controllable
➝ the Nexus-8 model was rushed onto the market in 2020 with open-ended lifespans and ocular implants with serial numbers for easier identification
➝ replicants were widely believed to be the cause of the Blackout in 2022
➝ in 2023, an indefinite prohibition was placed on replicant production. by this time, all of the Nexus-6 models had been decommissioned due to their four-year lifespans. surviving Nexus-8 replicants were ordered to be retired, prompting some to go into hiding.
➝ in the 2030s, after acquiring the remnants of the bankrupt Tyrell Corporation, Niander Wallace, with his company, the Wallace Corporation, improved upon Tyrell's replicants by making them obedient and able to be controlled. this led to the prohibition being lifted in 2036 and the introduction of the Nexus-9.
➝ after a bloody mutiny against an Off-world colony staged by a Nexus-6 combat team in 2018, the law forbade replicant existence on Earth, except in the huge industrial complex where they were created. thus, special police units known as "blade runners" were assigned to hunt down and retire replicants.
➝ the law did not consider replicants human and therefore accorded them no rights or protection.
➝ a replicant has canonically been able to reproduce, but nobody has figured out how
THE TYRELLS
➝ so in BR, Tyrell Corporation was a Los Angeles based high-tech firm primarily focused on the production of androids known as replicants
➝ in GoT, House Tyrell is a Great House in Westeros ruling over an area known as the Reach, which is one of the major breadbasket regions and one of the largest and best wine-producing regions. while not quite as wealthy as the Lannisters in the Westerlands, the Reach is still a very fertile and productive land, and its knights are so wealthy that they can afford full plate armor.
➝ Cookie's default modern AU for Marg: her family owns an agribusiness conglomerate powerhouse; lots of land, farms, vineyards, but also as one of the leading suppliers of necessary chemical technologies, such as insecticides, fungicides, etc. as the world has developed and the need for change in agricultural industry has grown, so has the Tyrells' hold over it.
➝ in BR, the replicants were created by Tyrell Corp for slave labor... which ties out with the GoT Tyrells being in agriculture
➝ in GoT, Marg marries into the ruling family and becomes Queen of Westeros
➝ in BR, Tyrell Corp went bankrupt after the Blackout and its assets were purchased by the Canaan Corporation. then the remains of the company were purchased by Niander Wallace of the Wallace Corporation, who then resumed work on the replicants.
THE TARGARYENS
➝ in GoT, they're the previous ruling family (and first ruling house) of Westeros, ousted in an event known as Robert's Rebellion. they are the only family of dragonlords who survived the Doom of Valyria.
➝ the typical Targaryen features and traits:
➝ the Targaryens believe that "the dragon must have three heads" thus the idea (in conjunction with the above) that the Targaryens have been commissioning replicants from the Tyrells. Cookie then had the idea that because of the replicants' default lifespans, Tyrell Corp had to keep remaking them for the Targaryens (every four years). eventually both sides wanted to give the Targaryen replicants "natural" lifespans, thus leading to a set of experimental models: Aerys' "children" Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys. they don't just have open-ended lifespans like the Nexus-8, but they grow like normal humans and... can reproduce. gasp.
➝ experimental units = instability = Targaryen madness
➝ there is also a prophecy in GoT about the prince that was promised, an ancient prophecy which foretells the coming of a hero to deliver the world from darkness. a "bleeding star" is supposed to herald the coming of the prince, and he is said to have a "song." Rhaegar, in GoT canon, believed that his first son, Aegon, was the promised prince, since a comet was seen above the city when the boy was born.
➝ in GoT, the Tyrells sided with the Targaryens in Robert's Rebellion, against the Starks, the Baratheons and the Lannisters.
➝ Rachel intends to keep Rhaegar's dragon dreams aka premonition powers, so he knows that winter is coming. (and perhaps he might know some other things?)
THE STARKS
➝ in BatFam, the Starks and the Waynes are family friends!
➝ the Starks are big on honor and duty and justice and Doing The Right Thing™️ and they're well-meaning lads... but while they've been able to maintain their posts as governors of Minnesota, they're really not very talented on the politics front, lmao.
➝ one of the most popular stories from GoT canon is one of the Starks, Lyanna, running off with Rhaegar Targaryen, then crown prince of Westeros, resulting to the war mentioned above, Robert's Rebellion. they have a son, also named Aegon (DON'T LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT), and he's taken in by Lyanna's big brother Ned and passed off as his illegitimate son, Jon.
➝ what we don't know for sure at this point, at least BatFam-wise, is what happened to Lyanna and Rhaegar and basically Rhaegar's first family, only that they're all alive in various states of hiding. yep, all of them: Rhaegar, Elia the first wife, Rhaenys the daughter, Aegon1/Jon1, Lyanna the second wife, Aegon2/Jon2...
THE LANNISTERS
➝ the lions who want to take over everything, led by the scheming Tywin. in BatFam, he's the CFO to Aerys Targaryen, then he later leads a hostile takeover of the Westeros Group. he helps install Robert Baratheon, Ned's BFF, as CEO, and since Lyanna Stark, Robert's fiancee, she ran off with Rhaegar, Robert married Tywin's daughter Cersei instead.
➝ at some point, they acquired Tyrell Corp (and its overseas partner company, but more on that later) and started the manufacturing of supersoldiers. Robert went to Ned about it and got killed. Ned went snooping around and found out things, tried to do the right thing and pass legislation... then the Lannisters swooped in and they took their war to court. the Lannisters are rich and crafty and just dragged everything until the Starks went bankrupt. oh, and Ned "hanged himself" while in prison awaiting the conclusion of his trial.
➝ their acquisition of Tyrell Corp included Marg's marriage to Robert's eldest son, Joffrey, who Marg later kills via poisoning.
➝ Marg eventually deals with the rest of the family and assumes control of the Westeros/Tyrell/Wallace Group. (Wallace because Marg was taken in by Niander Wallace to replace Luv, and follow in his footsteps and continue his legacy, but she also kills him later.)
METAPLOT MATTERS
PLOT WITH ME? NEW CHARACTER GET? INFO WE'VE FORGOTTEN? LINKS TO THINGS?
GENERAL SNYDERCUT INFO (part 1)
The Story of #ReleaseTheSnyderCut becoming Zack Snyder's Justice League
Some important things to note:
- Zack Snyder DID NOT take a pay check to finish this movie. Instead, he got full creative control. That's right. Not a dime.
- 4 Hours Run Time. Only one scene has been shot new for it, and it will involve the Joker (Jared Leto) and Batman (Bruce Wayne) and take place in the Nightmare Timeline.
- The movie is dedicated to his daughter, Autumn Snyder (rest in peace honey).
- The Flash has now been more or less confirmed to be a sequel to ZSJL. IT has the same Iris West that we will see in the movie, and Ben Affleck will be back!
- Jason Mamoa was caught accidentally saying that scenes in ZSJL set up Aquaman. Which means Aquaman is a sequel as well. Get fucked, Warner Brothers.
- The Movie Is Available World Wide. Ask stars, she'll help you find out where to watch it in your country!
GENERAL SNYDERCUT INFO (part 2)
(as we care to the PSL, cause we don't count that shitty version in theaters)
NOTES:
- This timeline does not include movies that cannot be tied into Zack Snyder's Justice League. Therefore Birds of Prey, Shazzam!, and questionably WW84. We may decide to axe WW84 as a lot of that movie does not tie up into established timelines by Batman v Superman. This is because these are more or less considered part of the "soft reboot" and are pending inclusion upon the movie release on March 18th 2021.
- This timeline does not include PSL dates. This is simply a slimmed down version from the DCEU timeline so we can reference it and start putting together the pieces.
- Robin's death is included, but not the birthdate, as timelines are fuzzy with this.